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  What can the leadership at Watchtower do to turn things around?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's play devils advocate here.. put yourself in the governing body's shoes.

  they are well aware of all the issues they are facing.

  they know their numbers (they 'do the math' as they say in the us).

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  cha ching

  Amen, Flipper. I double that motion.
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  Living with non belivers

  by Blade666 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my question is can you as a jw live on same premises as a non jw.... in split house/property with no sexual relations or anything involved... i am being forced to move due to a "sister" wanting to go back to her god and has made the point of saying she cannot have a male around.

  even though the property itself is split with seperate access for both parts of the house.. she has put a blanket rule out saying the whole property itself... doesnt make sense to me nor to any of the elders i have spoken to regarding the matter.. yes i called them as i know next to nothing about the faith.. .

  i find it strange that two elders urge a non jw to seek justice from fair trading and rental tribunal as they themselves do not belive the actions of the "sister" in question or her family to be correct or right... .

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  I agree, you will get farther faster, with less trouble if you just 'stick to the law." Don't even involve "the sister."
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  Why Jehovah witnesses don't say, "Bless you" ?

  by Issa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bless you, that was a big sneeze you let out sister.. sister- ah, what does "bless you" mean?.

  oh, it's pagan.

  because people bless the soul of the person so they don't escape from their physical bodies.. sister- right, it is difficult to change the little things, but we can please jehovah by staying away from those things.. .... this is a scenario that happened when i accidentally (naturally) said "bless you" to the jw sister.

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  cha ching

  Really! It's just a simple tradition that shows care ;-)
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  God will not let you suffer more than you can bare.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i had a conversation with an old jw friend and he spent a good part of the evening preaching to me.

  as i am “inactive”, i am forced to stay low, thus, i was not argumentative.

  yet, at one moment, he said that angels protect jws in field service and other situations.

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  cha ching

  Haha, good one Divergent!
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  Ireland: A Failure To Bear Witness?

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  feature article in today's print edition (sunday, october 29, 2017) of the irish sunday business post newspaper along with small article on the front page.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_sunday_business_post.

  jehovah’s witnesses in spotlight over their response to abuse cases.

  the sunday business post, sunday, october 29, 2017 - front page of print edition.

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  cha ching

  That is an excellent article!
  
  

  It names CIR, and their convention it held in London, Zalkin law Firm, and Geoffrey Shannon from Ireland.
  
  

  It is very specific revealing the harm it has done to individuals who have reported these things in the past and try to do so anonymously, and have even done so feeling that they would be supported, and actually they were shunned.
  
  

  It seems as though this movement is gaining momentum, eh?
  
  

  I like what Geoffrey said "there is a premium placed on the institution, to the detriment of the welfare of the children".. and he also widens the view of the problem of Jehovah's Witnesses to "an increasing scrutiny on the religion worldwide."
  
  

  The article includes Britain, Australia, and the U.S., and how do you like him saying this was only the beginning? Saying that the Catholic Church could once again provide a model for handling that case is coming to light in Jehovah's Witnesses?
  
  

  He is a very clever and a very sincere man you can see by saying, "allowing any institution to be beyond the reach of state laws is dangerous." And "nothing predicts like the past we know that those who ignore the lessons of History are doomed to repeat its mistakes" and "I think this is a defining moment in Ireland as we learn lessons from the past"
  
  

  That will get Ireland on board they can be the first to say, " yes we do not ignore the lessons from the past!"
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  California Elder Arrested

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  crime.

  daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

  there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .

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  So sorry Flipper,

  The WT & JWs portray themselves as a "clean people", "holy to Jehovah", and everything in this organization is "done strictly by Bible standards" which "proves they are the true religion."

  It is this hypocrisy, seen in court case after court case, judicial committee meeting after judicial committee meeting that is so frustrating to many. Myself included.

  I have been there, listened to their lawyers.... Watched the ARC, and see how WTBS operates.

  They hold all 'publishers' 'rank & file' to high standards as to whether they stay in the 'correct hotel' for conventions. (of all things)

  It is 'simply abhorrent' that they 'abhor child abuse', but their actions speak louder than words, don't they?
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  California Elder Arrested

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  crime.

  daniel macias said.. investigators learned that ramos was an elder at a jehovah’s witnesses church in the 4000 block of west mckinley avenue.

  there, he met a teen girl and her family three years ago.. .

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  Ramos mentored the girl, and the two communicated through text messages. At one point, the two exchanged “inappropriate” photos and their relationship turned physical, Macias said.

  He is charged with felony oral copulation, possession and distribution of child pornography and misdemeanor child molestation.

  It seems as though the police have "text messages" "inappropriate photos" and they must have found "child pornography" that he "distributed".

  "Apparently," they DO have evidence.
  

  
  
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  Outside JW World They Barely Exist

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is anyone else staggered by the fact that outside of the organization most of the general public seem to know very little or nothing about jw’s?

  when i was in i was led to believe that 99% of the worlds population had been giving sufficient warning, knew what it was all about and were stubbornly sticking to their immoral ways.

  the reality seems to be that the entire jw universe is barely noticeable to the masses.

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  cha ching

  Once I left JW-ville, I asked a couple of friends regarding what they knew of JWs.... It is exactly as everyone stated here...they didn't know much. One nurse, who was born in China, knew nothing of them growing up, and only because she works in a hospital knows of their stance on blood.

  Kingdom? God's name? Vindication? Satan vs. God?

  Nope.... The "good, great and holy news of the kingdom" is not well known.

  JWs say "God gives everyone a chance to decide who they will serve, he is so fair to let Satan tell his side of the story, and let "the people" have a choice.

  How can anyone choose or decide over an issue when they have no knowledge it even exists?????
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  God will not let you suffer more than you can bare.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i had a conversation with an old jw friend and he spent a good part of the evening preaching to me.

  as i am “inactive”, i am forced to stay low, thus, i was not argumentative.

  yet, at one moment, he said that angels protect jws in field service and other situations.

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  cha ching

  It is stupidity to the max.... and it is plain old arbitrary-ism....

  1. "Oh look! Jehovah saved my house from the earthquake because I am a worshipper of Jehovah"

  2. "Oh, so sad they died in the earthquake, but we know... "time and unforeseen occurrence befall them all"
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  If a year is really 365 1/4 days why 360 days to calculate 1914

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  doesn't that throw off the date?.

  *** w51 6/15 p. 383 questions from readers ***.

  in establishing the length of the seven times of the gentiles, a time or year of 360 days is used, to give 2,520 days, which become 2,520 years when ezekiel 4:6 is applied.

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  *** it-1 p. 135 Appointed Times of the Nations ***
  The duration of a year as so used is indicated to be 360 days, inasmuch as three and a half times are shown to equal “a thousand two hundred and sixty days” at Revelation 12:6, 14
  Seven times,” according to this count, would equal 2,520 days.

  So, 2520 / 360 = 7

  607 to 1 ce = 607 x 365 = 221,555 days

  1- 1914 = 1913 x 365 = 698,245 days

  Add these ‘days together = 919,800 days

  Divide this by the 360 days /360 prophetic days/ years

  2,555 days (you get wrong #)

  It doesn’t work

  Or 919,800 / 365 = 2,520…. It comes out right! Wow!

  WT uses the 360 prophetic days to get the 2520, but SWITCHES to using our current 365 calendar days in the middle of the equation to get 1914!!!

  Ok, so take the 2,520 days, and divide it by 365, the method of determining years we use now

  2520 / 365 = 6.90 times not seven times like Daniel said